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A handful of participants in this discussion have hijacked this thread and not one of them seems content unless they have the last word*.
To this, I offer a solution: Meet up at a show and hash this out in person. I find that face-to-face encounters are rarely as venomous as they are on the semi-anonymous (and certainly less personal) Internet.
Of course, you could continue this sad and somewhat masterbaitory debate where you continually quote and pick apart each other's increasingly off-topic and childish posts. That's another option.
*Not me, of course. That would be hypocritical.